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Jackell · May 20, 2005, 04:03 AM // 04:03

LOL

Absolutly stunning.

Midnight Scorpion · May 20, 2005, 04:15 AM // 04:15

LFG - No F.A.S.T. guild members.

Agree! I believe that these people should keep this on so I know who not to invite

Oni No Arashi · May 20, 2005, 07:03 AM // 07:03

These types are almost as fun as the ones who are in an area where there are a bunch of 10 to 12th level people asking for only higher levels... like level 20's... (Gates of Kryta area more often then not). And then when someone asks them why they didn't bring 5 other level 20's with them, since the odds of finding one in an average area of 12... well... just fun.

Oh, and then when you say that you'll go, and they say too low a level, they then blast you when you mention it's not your only character. Like someone who's only got a level 15 character might not have a level 20 who's ascended and working on the other parts of the game.

Some of us are actually trying to unlock everything for some good PVP options.

I personally think any type of "No Noobs", "No Idiots", "No Morons" type calling out is a big slap in the face of everyone else who has made it to that area or higher that you just don't want to work with, or are incapable of working with cause of your own ineptitude.

Spirit Firefly · May 20, 2005, 11:44 AM // 11:44

Sounds familiar.... i was in an arena once i play a mo/n and all my skills are healing or removing hex/"Conditions etc. We start out this guy goes omg a level 11 monk... i reply so?(he was level 15) gates open everyone moves slowly out except him who goes dashing across the water straight into the enemy by which time im well out of healing range. I finally got to him in time to put 1 healing breeze on him but before i could cast anything else he died.

We lose "omfg" you suck what a noob healer. I think oh well nm silly child. I re-enter he is on the opposing team of which there are 2 level 15's and one 14 and one 13 we have me(11) another 11, a 12 and a 13. OMG you again lolololll11!! you are so gonna get owned.. I think probably anyway needless to say out he comes dies we win flawless victory his team are like wtf this guys dumb. Needless to say i heard him LFG - No morons later on.

maddah · May 20, 2005, 12:24 PM // 12:24

As a relative necomer to this game and online games of this style shouts like that have a very negative effect.

Elitism, lets call it what it is, puts newer players off in my opinion. I wander around here these shouts and think , well no point going there as will just get shouted at if I'm not up to speed with thier levels. Not my fault that in life I haven't had the free time til now to learn a gaming system inside out back to front and polish it till its shiney.

A little patience for some of us "noobs" and you might find a really good team player who was only needing that break or aid in the right direction.

Everyone has to start somewhere and hey after all the shouting and bitching is done one thing still remains the same its only a game, games are meant to be fun

Navaros · May 20, 2005, 02:57 PM // 14:57

i always make no-morons-only groups and i spam it in chat until my group is full

if someone is so offended by another player wanting to group with non-idiots, then that's the offended party's tough cookies. players have to be able to form good parties, and the absolute best way to do that when your friends are not online, is to ask for a no-morons-only party

a lot of idiots will tell you they're idiots right away if you simply ask them. so making it clear up front saves a lot of aggravation.

some people get mad at my spam. well sorry about that...but there is no efficient way to advertise that you have a party and what you need other than to spam that message until your party is full. unfortunately that is a drawback of the limited party-forming interface of Guild Wars

the original poster said people like me are immature for posting for no-morons-only parties. no - that is not immature. wanting to win, rather than lose because you have idiot allies, is not immature at all. in fact, it is the measure of a man to do everything (legally) necessary in order to win. if that includes ruffling some feathers by being honest and upfront about what you need in your party, then oh well those feathers need to be ruffled then.

in my view it is immature to look down on people who are bold enough to call a spade a spade and say exactly what they need up front, no censorship. no sugarcoating.

FTR, in my experience, 90% or more of the parties i have formed via this method have been dramatically smarter than random "LFG" parties.

that is because it takes a bold man to admit he's not a moron and be man enough to acknowledge the existence of many people who are horrible at the game (and thus will make you lose if you party with them). it takes a bold man to have the fortitude to speak up and say "no, i do not want idiots in my party either!", and then join one where he won't get any. bold men like that are Winners. they are the best people to have in a party.

Redfang · May 20, 2005, 03:17 PM // 15:17

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Originally Posted by Navaros

bold men like that are Winners. they are the best people to have in a party.

See "I have an inflated ego" reference in the original post. Thanks for proving my point.

Navaros · May 20, 2005, 03:33 PM // 15:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redfang

See "I have an inflated ego" reference in the original post. Thanks for proving my point.

i may happen to have an inflated ego, but that's irrelevant to the point.

the point is: i am a good PVE player who very rarely dies unless my allies play stupidly. even then, i'm usually the last to die. that's not ego, that's just a fact of life. therefore, i want to play only with other players of my skill caliber or better. Guild Wars is balanced around multi-person team gameplay. if your team sucks in Guild Wars, then you are going to fail the mission. period. not everyone is content with failing. some of us have a Winner's ethic and will abide by it instead of wasting hours and hours partying with morons just so the morons can have some fun too. if morons wanna play the game, well that's fine...but they certainly don't need to be in my party, or in the party any person who takes winning seriously.

hence, it is the most logical and sensible thing in the world for players such as myself to ask for a no-morons-only party

it's not about ego. it's just about not wasting time, and not having to repeat the same missions 10 billion times because stupid people got you killed

Redfang · May 20, 2005, 03:57 PM // 15:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navaros

i am a good PVE player who very rarely dies unless my allies play stupidly.

See "I blame other people for anything that doesn't go my way" reference in my OP post.

Keep those replies coming! You are on fire proving what I said.

Navaros · May 20, 2005, 04:11 PM // 16:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redfang

See "I blame other people for anything that doesn't go my way" reference in my OP post.

Keep those replies coming! You are on fire proving what I said.

but it's not that at all. again, you're missing the point

it does not matter how good you are in Guild Wars because if your allies suck, you will die. that does not mean you died because you did anything wrong. it just means because the game is designed so that one individual person is not uber and therefore must rely on his allies to not be idiots in order to survive in the game world.

of course no one is perfect, and no one is expecting perfection in their allies,

however,

i do indeed blame people when they do incredibly stupid things that gets me and my team killed. but the way you have stated it with the word "anything" is an over-generalization

i blame people only for violating basic common sense and playing moronically which results in the whole team having to suffer for their stupidity. they are fully-deserving of such blame for having wasted my time and the time of other competent players. therefore there is nothing morally wrong with giving them such blame.

JohnCoke · May 20, 2005, 04:16 PM // 16:16

Even I get it, in fact I said it in my first post. The people who did this are just laying their expectations on the table. They're just not that tactful in doing it. Navaros, sorry but your not tactful, well that last post was. Kinda. But it's been my experience that the winners are not the "Bold" ones, they're the ones that have patience. That is what the other side is,and I believe these people are trying to put across. You want to go, and go now. Which this haste is what people view you by. Therefore they think inside the mission it will be the same. You spamming orders etc... and running. May not be true, but what else do they rely on?

Navaros · May 20, 2005, 04:35 PM // 16:35

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Originally Posted by JohnCoke

Even I get it, in fact I said it in my first post. The people who did this are just laying their expectations on the table. They're just not that tactful in doing it. Navaros, sorry but your not tactful, well that last post was. Kinda. But it's been my experience that the winners are not the "Bold" ones, they're the ones that have patience.

i can agree with you that i'm not tactful. but i do not try to be. Guild Wars is a game based on Wars (as per the title). the player in the game is a soldier in those wars. a soldier, not a diplomat. if and when Guild Wars ever adds "Diplomat" as a playable class, then it makes sense to talk about using tact. til then, however, tact need not be part of party-making protocol.

as for patience...it's one thing to be patient, but it's quite another to have to repeat the same mission multiple times due to some guy screwing it up needlessly. i do play the game patiently. i tell my allies to lure mobs one by one. i tell them to stand still and wait til the mob has passed and it's safe to run by them without having to fight. in fact, i am overly-accomodating with being patient as it pertains to playing Guild Wars; just so long as that patience is conducive to successful gameplay

here is an example (one of many) of the stupid things i've seen in Guild Wars; just as we were about to do the vase bonus after having successfully saved Benji and killed all the undead by Dorian, some guy went ahead and finished the mission despite repeated instructions by the entire team to stop going that way, and to stop talking to NPCs because it would screw up the bonus. right there, one idiot wasted an hour of my time and the time of the other 4 allies also.

it is a cumulative experience of being shafted by morons from "random LFG groups" in such a manner repeatedly that drives people to insist upon no-morons-only parties.

Redfang · May 20, 2005, 05:02 PM // 17:02

Navaros, let me share something with you about teamwork.

A team has a leader.

Everyone knows who the leader is.

Let's stop right there. If your teams don't have a known and agreed upon leader, then of course there will be some people running all over the place not acting in unison. They don't know who to follow.

Whoever is the leader needs to tell people in advance what their role on the team is.

What tactics are being used? What skills are needed? Who is calling targets? What is known and not known about this mission that will help people succeed?

If you simply throw a group together and tell them not to be morons, you aren't leading squat.

Real leaders accept responsibility for the performance of their team.

If something goes wrong, instead of telling everyone it's everybody's fault but yours, did it occur to you that as the team leader you didn't communicate the plan well enough?

I don't know you, but from your posts I can tell that you lack experience as a raid leader. Instead of counting your deaths and rationalizing them in terms of who you can blame, try learning something about what makes a good team leader and how you could become a better one.

JohnCoke · May 20, 2005, 05:02 PM // 17:02

Hint: Navaros, don't try to define the game. ITS whatever the player wants it to be. A chat room, a questing game, a way to make new friends. Share stories. Whatever they think is fun.

Dred Skullord · May 20, 2005, 06:14 PM // 18:14

This is my favorite useless thread. To sum up, some people like "LFG- no morns" and other think it's highly discriminatory to morons.

I define moron as a player who either does not assist the group or draws in a new mob while already under attack. Morons I can deal with.

The real problems is "players who abandon the quest before it is finished or players who pounce on gold as soon as it drops even while taking damage."

Sadly, "LFG no-players who abandon the quest before it is finished or players who pounce on gold as soon as it drops even while taking damage" is too long for the chat box. LOL

BTW- I am in Thunderhead Keep if you want to team up. Mad props to my non-moronic group from Iron Mines.

Arbel · May 20, 2005, 06:20 PM // 18:20

I would join a "LFG-No Morons" group! I would be so proper and intelligent-like.

Then when we get to a boss, I would pull a "LEEEEEEROOYYYYYYYYY!!!!!one!11"

Dred Skullord · May 20, 2005, 06:35 PM // 18:35

Don't forget to grab all the gold and pull some more mobs in for an attack. LOL

Granamyr · May 20, 2005, 07:11 PM // 19:11

Navaros, I spent the better part of 15 minutes having to tolerate your all caps spam for non-moron monks in Amnoon Oasis. It was later revised to non-idiot monk and then you trying to condemn another player for being an idiot. During that time, I never saw anyone group with you and pretty much all of the outpost was informing you how futile your spam was toward reaching your goal of having "no morons".

Apparently your group advertising methods didn't prove too fruitful as you had just failed whatever mission you were on. Everyone wants to win, no one wants to have to replay a mission. You are deceiving yourself if you think you are not part of the problem as to why your groups fail.

At a minimum, you deserve the lions share of the blame as party leader regardless of how your teammates acted......you're the one that recruited them!! Furthermore, you weren't able to keep them together functioning as a team. Considering your method of advertising for groups and the attitude you've expressed in your posts here, it's a small wonder that you're able to get through a mission without a mutiny.

As was stated before, "no morons" advertisements only attract people that have failed at a mission and think it was "the moron's" (read everyone else's) fault. These are usually alpha-type personalities and always want the leadership role. A party of all self-perceived leaders is a recipe for failure.

The best leaders are those willing to serve the team. They're liberal with praise and eager to accept blame. "No morons" doesn't fit that template.

Robos Stavanis · May 20, 2005, 08:00 PM // 20:00

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Originally Posted by Dred Skullord

This is my favorite useless thread. To sum up, some people like "LFG- no morns" and other think it's highly discriminatory to morons.

I define moron as a player who either does not assist the group or draws in a new mob while already under attack. Morons I can deal with.

The real problems is "players who abandon the quest before it is finished or players who pounce on gold as soon as it drops even while taking damage."

Sadly, "LFG no-players who abandon the quest before it is finished or players who pounce on gold as soon as it drops even while taking damage" is too long for the chat box. LOL

BTW- I am in Thunderhead Keep if you want to team up. Mad props to my non-moronic group from Iron Mines.

Well..While I agree that folks who abandon a quest as well as a HOH team are not my favorite folks, I am in Thunderhead Keep as well, and last night on the mission to save the king, etc. We ( PUG ) were an hour into the mission, doing fairly well. Lost my power during a nearby lightning hit. Systems remained up due to a UPS, however I did not have my router or modem on the UPS....so I lost connection. I was only off line for a minute, however I had effectively abandoned the mission. Luckly, I had another Guild member on the mission. I sent him an FYI on what happened, and he assured me he would inform the team. I found out that 20 minute later, the king died, and they lost. I felt real bad about that, knowing I was partly to blame since they were a member short, but had it not been for my guild member able to expain what happened, I am sure they would have marked it down as another moron who abandoned the group.

Dred Skullord · May 20, 2005, 08:46 PM // 20:46

Good point. Everyone loses connections.

I'll be in Thunderhead Keep tonight and I am looking for a good group. Look for my request, "LFG- No Star Wars names, especially anyone with Darth in his name." LOL If you are reading this, then you are not at Star Wars III with the rest of your kind.